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Why Do You Hear Thunder Seconds After You See the Lightning?

Category: Nature

A bright flash lights up the bedroom. You start counting: one, two, three, four, five… then the rumble arrives. Lightning and thunder are made in the same instant, in the same place, so why the wait? The short answer is that light travels through the air far faster than sound does, about 870,000 times faster, so the flash arrives almost instantly and the sound straggles in behind it [1][2]. The wait is useful, because it turns your counting into a rough distance gauge. Below, we check the numbers, see how far off the gauge can be, and find out why thunder often rumbles on instead of going “bang” once.

1. Light Is Almost Instant and Sound Is Slow: Putting Numbers on the Gap

Start with light. Since 1983, the metre has been defined using the speed of light in a vacuum, which is fixed at exactly 299,792,458 metres per second (about 186,000 miles per second) [1]. Light in air is a hair slower, which does not matter here. Sound is far slower. In air at 20 °C (68 °F) it moves at about 343 metres per second, roughly 770 miles per hour [2]. Divide one speed by the other and you get a ratio of about 870,000 to 1.

Now picture a bolt one mile (1.6 km) away. The light reaches your eyes in about five millionths of a second. The sound takes close to five seconds. Those few millionths are so small compared with the sound’s trip that we can ignore them. When you count seconds, you are timing the sound’s journey alone. A simple way to picture it is a race between a jet and a snail that start from the same line: you only notice how long you wait for the snail. This is a picture, not a measurement, but the arithmetic behind it is real.

You can see the same thing at a fireworks show, where the flash comes well before the bang [2].

2. Counting Seconds to Find the Distance of the Storm

The U.S. National Weather Service (NWS), the government agency that forecasts weather and issues storm warnings, gives a simple rule: count the seconds from the flash to the thunder and divide by 5, and you get the distance in miles [3]. Five seconds means about one mile, fifteen seconds means about three miles, and no gap at all means the lightning is very close. If you prefer kilometres, sound covers a bit over a kilometre in three seconds, so dividing by 3 works instead. (With 343 metres per second, three seconds is about 1,030 metres.) The five-seconds-per-mile figure is rounded, which is fine for a rule of thumb.

How sloppy can the rule be? Temperature changes the speed of sound, because sound travels faster through warmer air. Air at 0 °C carries sound at about 331 metres per second, and air at 20 °C at about 343, an increase of less than 4 percent [2]. For a storm you time at ten seconds, that is a difference of well under a tenth of a mile between a freezing night and a mild one. Your own counting is likely to be the larger error. The method gives you a range, such as “two or three miles,” and not an exact number.

One more caution: the NWS adds that you should be in a safe place while counting [3]. More on that in Section 4.

3. Why Thunder Rumbles Instead of Going Bang Once

The counting rule treats a bolt as a single point, but a lightning bolt is long. The NWS explains that a strike may touch the ground in one spot, yet its channel stretches many miles through the air [3]. The channel gets heated very quickly, and the air expands. The NWS says the air in the channel may reach as high as 50,000 °F (about 27,700 °C), about five times hotter than the surface of the sun. Right after the flash the air cools and contracts, and that fast expansion and contraction makes the sound wave we hear as thunder [3].

Here is where the delay idea comes back. Every part of the channel makes sound at nearly the same moment, but the parts are at different distances from you. You first hear the thunder from the part nearest you, then from parts farther and farther away [3]. As an illustration (our own arithmetic, not a measured case), imagine a channel that runs 5 miles straight away from you. Its far end would be heard about 25 seconds after its near end. Real channels twist, so this is closer to a ceiling than a typical case.

This is also why the sound tells you something. A sharp crack or click means the channel passed nearby, while a rumble comes from sound reaching you at different times from different parts of the channel. By itself, it does not give an exact distance. The loud boom you sometimes hear comes from the main channel as it reaches the ground [3]. The NWS does not say how much of the rumble comes from channel length compared with, for example, echoes, so we will not guess at a split.

4. Why a Long Count Does Not Mean You Are Safe

It is tempting to count a big number and relax. The NWS warns against that. Thunder can only be heard from about 10 miles away, so if you can hear thunder, you are likely within striking distance of the storm [3]. Lightning also often strikes more than three miles from the center of a thunderstorm, well outside the rain, and “bolts from the blue” can land 10 to 15 miles away [4]. A clear sky overhead does not make you safe.

So the count is for understanding and for watching a storm approach or leave, not for deciding how long you can stay outdoors. The NWS advice is to get to a safe place, such as a substantial building or a hard-topped vehicle, as soon as you hear thunder [3][4].

5. How to Watch a Storm’s Distance Change From Indoors

Only try this from inside a building, away from windows, and only when you already feel safe. Each time you see a flash, count the seconds until the thunder, then divide by 5 to get miles. Write down the count and what the thunder sounded like: a sharp crack or a long rumble.

After several flashes, look at your list. Are the counts getting shorter, which suggests the storm is moving closer, or longer, which suggests it is moving away? Do the crackling sounds come with short counts and the rumbles with long ones? Your timing will be imperfect, so it can be fun to compare with a weather radar map from a trusted local weather service, if one is available, for the same time. If your estimate and the map roughly agree, you have measured a storm using nothing but the gap between two speeds.

Sources

All four sources were opened and read. The NWS thunder page was read through its main text, and the NWS myths page only through its opening myths. The NIST page and the OpenStax section were read in full. The NWS gives the temperature of the lightning channel as “as high as” 50,000 °F; other sources give different figures, so treat it as an upper estimate. The 870,000 ratio, the one-mile light travel time, and the 25-second illustration are our own calculations from the values above.

  1. National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), “Meter” (SI Redefinition). https://www.nist.gov/si-redefinition/meter (Speed of light in a vacuum fixed at 299,792,458 m/s by the 1983 definition of the metre.)
  2. OpenStax, “University Physics Volume 1,” 17.2 Speed of Sound. https://openstax.org/books/university-physics-volume-1/pages/17-2-speed-of-sound (Sound in air: 331 m/s at 0 °C, 343 m/s at 20 °C; every five seconds is about one mile; fireworks example.)
  3. U.S. National Weather Service, “Understanding Lightning: Thunder.” https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning-science-thunder (How thunder forms, the long channel, crack versus rumble, divide by 5 for miles, the 10-mile hearing range.)
  4. U.S. National Weather Service, “Lightning Myths.” https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning-myths (Strikes more than three miles from the storm center; bolts from the blue at 10 to 15 miles. Read in the opening myths only.)